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New MT410 gearing opinions /options

A1carpetman

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Hi everyone hope you can help .. I’ve ran my mt410 once awaiting a new radio and new 4s battery I have most of the m2c racing options complete shock aluminium collars ,caps etc and t bone bumpers also have mt4g3/rival tyres all this has obviously made the truck heavier I’m running a hobby wing maxx 8 2200kv system with a 16tooth pinion metal spur option …I seems to have heat issues and the truck felt very slow in speed I’m putting it down to old batteries I was using has anyone got this kinda set up with the added weight of so what do you run I’m worried about heat and the weight have I made a mistake adding this m2c stuff ? Many thanks in advance
 

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nub

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What does you truck weigh and what were your temps? Mine is about 8lbs with battery, same motor kv different brand and same pinion count. The max temp I've seen is 154F on the esc and 170F on the motor on a day that was about 98F. I've added a heat sink and fans since but haven't run it, been messing with other rigs. I'd expect a rough 15-20 degree reduction from past fan add ons.

I haven't had a gps on it but with 4S I'd estimate 40ish mph to give you and idea.

Have you checked the esc programming to make sure there's no excessive timing or drag brake creating additional heat? Esc and radio were calibrated?
 

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While I dont have the MT410, I do run my ET48.3 on 4s with a Tekin 2250kv combo and even when I run several different big heavy Proline 3.8 premounts I can run an 18t or 19t pinion without any heat issues as long as Im not running in thick grass. It can easily do standing back flips but also hit rediculous speeds where the tires nearly double in size they baloon so much. Plenty of power and speed. I also have a few of the M2C parts, so I dont think you should be having heat issues or problems with it being slow or underpowered if everything is working correctly.
 

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I had lots of overheating issues with castle 2200kv motor. Depending on the pinion size I can get it to do what I wanted but withing 15 minutes it would over heat. Found solution here. got a new esc and bigger motor, relocated esc above center diff and heat problems are non-existent now. More torque than I need and more speed than I need. I think the 2200kv motor is good for racing, fast and light but not big enough for the mt410 if you bash hard. btw mine weights about 11 pounds.
 

A1carpetman

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I had lots of overheating issues with castle 2200kv motor. Depending on the pinion size I can get it to do what I wanted but withing 15 minutes it would over heat. Found solution here. got a new esc and bigger motor, relocated esc above center diff and heat problems are non-existent now. More torque than I need and more speed than I need. I think the 2200kv motor is good for racing, fast and light but not big enough for the mt410 if you bash hard. btw mine weights about 11 pounds.
What esc and what motor size are you running now and also with 4s or 6s I want to stay at 4s
 

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Am running the mamba monster x8s with the 1650kv motor with a 24t pinion. Stock spur. At full trigger it wheelies at any speed. Can run it full out till battery runs out and no overheats at all. Love this combo. Was struggling with heat before but no more!
 

macovial

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Am running the mamba monster x8s with the 1650kv motor with a 24t pinion. Stock spur. At full trigger it wheelies at any speed. Can run it full out till battery runs out and no overheats at all. Love this combo. Was struggling with heat before but no more!
I just bought a MT410 build kit with the same electronics you have and am struggling to decide which tires and battery to run it with. What tires are you using and are you using a 4s or 6s battery?
 

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I just bought a MT410 build kit with the same electronics you have and am struggling to decide which tires and battery to run it with. What tires are you using and are you using a 4s or 6s battery?
Backflip LPs 4s from arrma these are really good to run on mt410 platform I've had 3 sets so far love them.

I run them on eith 4s or 6s.

Op I have m2c extended chassis with backflip lps 2200kv motor and a x8s mamba esc I run it either on 4s or 6s 17t pinion no heating issues at all. It can be those tires you are running also do check gear mesh and make sure it isn't too tight.
 

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Did I just read 8lbs and 11lbs. Damn!! I got mine weighing at 18lbs . Mamba 8x. 2200kv. I believe I went up 1 tooth on the pinion. 4s battery. Badlands. No heat issues at all. 15+ runtime.
 

macovial

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Backflip LPs 4s from arrma these are really good to run on mt410 platform I've had 3 sets so far love them.

I run them on eith 4s or 6s.

Op I have m2c extended chassis with backflip lps 2200kv motor and a x8s mamba esc I run it either on 4s or 6s 17t pinion no heating issues at all. It can be those tires you are running also do check gear mesh and make sure it isn't too tight.
Awesome! I went with the LPs too. The MTs looked too big for my taste. Maybe in the future. Have the 1520 1650kv MMX 8s with 24T spur. 4s battery. That thing is a beast and doesn't get hot. I don't have cooling fans on it, yet. Have the game changer and all the m2c center & horizontal brackets and m2c shock towers & upper steering plate. Weighs at 11.8 lbs with the body on it. I'm hooked. Selling my heavily upgraded Traxxas(es) and will get the ET48 next. :p
 

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Awesome! I went with the LPs too. The MTs looked too big for my taste. Maybe in the future. Have the 1520 1650kv MMX 8s with 24T spur. 4s battery. That thing is a beast and doesn't get hot. I don't have cooling fans on it, yet. Have the game changer and all the m2c center & horizontal brackets and m2c shock towers & upper steering plate. Weighs at 11.8 lbs with the body on it. I'm hooked. Selling my heavily upgraded Traxxas(es) and will get the ET48 next. :p
Hello stelle yes also just my MT410 build together would have this times a question regarding the pinion!
Will build the M2C GameChanger chassis with a Hobbywing Xerun XR8+ G2S and a TPPower 1650KV and some (almost all) other M2C upgrades for weight reasons but without the shock towers! On the ESC will run a 30 fan with 27000rmp and the motor provided with 2x 40 fans with the same speed!
As tires are probably the ProLine Trechenr LP 3.8 used!
What would you recommend for a pinion number, so that he goes really nasty to the point !
 

macovial

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Hello stelle yes also just my MT410 build together would have this times a question regarding the pinion!
Will build the M2C GameChanger chassis with a Hobbywing Xerun XR8+ G2S and a TPPower 1650KV and some (almost all) other M2C upgrades for weight reasons but without the shock towers! On the ESC will run a 30 fan with 27000rmp and the motor provided with 2x 40 fans with the same speed!
As tires are probably the ProLine Trechenr LP 3.8 used!
What would you recommend for a pinion number, so that he goes really nasty to the point !
I have the 24T pinion but that's with the castle mamba monster 8s 1520-1650kv system. It's a bit much on 4S and will gear it down to ~20T because of too much power. Broke my rear differential spider gears within 5 minutes of running it. I can't vouch for anything else since this Castle system is all I've ran except for that Tekin Pro4HD motor with Castle Mamba X ESC on my son's Traxxas.
 

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Hy, thanks for your answer, my tendency went last already so in the direction of ~19-20-21 !

From therefore I will decide at the beginning for a 21er pinion and then look how the temperatures of the engine and the ESC behave in driving!

Am but quite confident that the temperatures with the intended fan setup should keep within limits, only since it is my first TPPower engine and I have so far no Erharungen, on which I could derive the "temperature profile", until I really curious how it finally develops!

As a guide I can only take my Hobbywing 4585 EZRUN 1650KV and the Max6 ECS in Kraton 6S EXB, and the runs with 20er pinion absolutely cool to maximum handwarm at maximum power output is but really hard from therefore I think I could go with the Tekno still something over, so my theory!
 
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